May 12, 2020

Will the PS3 have more under the hood than the Revoluion or Xbox2

The BBC has put together a story looking at the hype and aspirations of the upcoming video game platforms.  According to sources in the story, Microsoft has sent out Xbox2 development kits while kits for the PS3 and Revolution are still nowhere to be seen.  Additionally, they scored a destined-to-be troublesome quote from an executive at EA Europe who drops the bomb that the “rumours are that Playstation 3 will have a little more under the hood” than the Xbox 2.” Not a good quote to hand to a major, global news source.

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1. Posted Jan 31, 2020, 3:15 PM ET by Jay

It's not too surprising when you consider that Sony will have a ton of custom silicon in it. XBox 2 will be using off the shelf parts, though not the same PC components that have made it so popular with hackers. The Cell processor alone seems to be quite an undertaking, even if it won't be the technological marvel it sounded years ago when it was introduced. And it's not even being fabbed yet.

Still, I think Sony will end up ruling the roost again, even if they are a year late. And their convergence theme is interesting. It usually takes a few generations for that type of talk to finally hit home, and this might be the generation to finally adopt it.

2. Posted Feb 2, 2020, 6:09 PM ET by Kevin

What are you talking about? From what I've heard, Microsoft is actually designing the chips for Xbox 2, instead of using off the shelf components. For example, it is said that the security features of the Xbox 2 will be built IN TO the chips themselves. Also, there is some kind of technology that hasn't been seen in technology yet. I can't remember what is was, but it may be like Nvidia's new thing, where the computer can actually interact with the GPU memory (I think).

Nevertheless, with Xbox 2 highly rumoured to come out at the end of 2020 and PS3 and Revolution probably not coming until 2020, of course Xbox 2 will have less under its hood. But remember what all those people said about Xbox (PS2 fanboys or not): "It's not the technology that counts, it's the games."

Halo 3 anyone? Perfet Dark Zero? Etc. Has anyone seen Resident Evil 4? It's a game for Gamecube and looks like it probably has better graphics than any Xbox game, but the Xbox is supposed to be more technologically advanced.

So PS3 will probably win the techno side of things next time, but don't think Microsoft won't have an ace up their sleeves (or flying evil monkeys in cages) :D

3. Posted Feb 5, 2020, 8:41 PM ET by Casey

What are YOU talking about?

I've been hearing that Microsoft will use the IBM Power4 chip that Apple is currently using in their G5 Powermacs in the new XBox 2. Also, (if you read anything before posting like an idiot) PS3 will also have anti-piracy technology BUILT INTO the chip. It's nothing groundbreaking. Just nobody has implemented it yet.

You go out of your way to point out PS2 "fanboys" when it is entirely transparent that you, yourself are an XBox "fanboy."

Thanks for the laugh.

4. Posted Feb 6, 2020, 4:33 AM ET by bill gates

hello i am proud to talk on this website xbox 2 is better than ps3

5. Posted Feb 7, 2020, 8:05 PM ET by minisnarf

xbox 2 will be delayed due to the slow release of hd-dvd/blu-ray. both are now just coming out with players/burners and microsoft yet has to determine which format to use. if they pick hd-dvd and everyone goes for blu-ray (since all the hardware companies are supporting) xbox2 can only play video games. xbox goes with blu-ray - hehehe... sony will charge a premium to use their blu-ray technology. microsoft has no choice but to delay the xbox 2 until consumers determine which format will win out hd-dvd or blu-ray. this also means xbox 2 will not be as capable or be more expensive than the ps3. end of console wars...

microsoft is a software company - it doesn't stand a chance in the hardware realm against sony especially when it has to outsource the majority of its components.

6. Posted Feb 8, 2020, 3:22 AM ET by Fable-icious

Hmm, microsoft has a way of getting what they want, so the comment 'end of the console wars' will not be in sight soon I think. If you would only look at the hacker/modder scene, an XBOX has allways been more easy to modify then a PS2. If the same goes for the XBOX2, then....and let's face it, I have both an XBOX and a PS2, and wow the graphics of most cool games are better (IMHO) on the XBOX. Loading times: take the xbox.

In my opinion: XBOX2 will be far better than anything sony can throw at it. One word: hard disk. If sony was to put a harddrive in it's upcoming console, they would stand a better chance....but hey, that's just a modders opinion ;-)

7. Posted Feb 8, 2020, 3:26 AM ET by dwlthree

Sony wouldn't charge M$ a premium if they wanted to use blu-ray technology in the Xbox 2. Sony would love nothing more than to have the backing of the largest software company on the globe. Sony isn't the only company backing blu-ray, the fact is, it's technologically superior to HD-DVD, so it'd make sense for Micro$oft to use it. Then again, Betamax was better than VHS, so there's no telling where this whole thing is going to go.

I'm a self-professed Xbox fanboy that owns all three current generation consoles, so chances are I'll be buying both the Xbox 2 and PS3 upon release. I don't really give a shit which is more powerful as long as I get to play Halo 3. Simple enough.

8. Posted Feb 8, 2020, 1:45 PM ET by castor

Update on ps3 and xbox. xbox will be powered by 2 powerpc microprocessors from ibm. Sony will be using the new Cell chip. ps3 will not be released until 2020 so sony lovers will have to wait a while. personally im willing to wait and atleast see which console i want to put my money into. email me with any comments or updates. castor_troy94@hotmail.com

9. Posted Feb 9, 2020, 8:40 AM ET by Steveo

Oh purlease!

With the specifications now released for the cell chip, it is going to blow away anything. 256 gigaflops (billion floating point operations per second) makes it about 50 times faster than the fastest PC around at the moment (Intel Pentium 4 3.8GHz performs at around 4.9 gigaflops).

So Xbox 2 is using two PowerPC processors? Cell uses a PowerPC processor just to keep the other 8 (count 'em) processor cores happy. Since IBM have a lot of vested interest in the cell chip, not to mention their dislike for Microsoft, I think we can be fairly sure they're going to keep the best stuff for themselves.

By the looks of it, the Xbox 2 isn't going to see the PS3 for (beautifully realistic rendered) dust.

10. Posted Feb 9, 2020, 3:56 PM ET by castor

im wondering where sony is gonna go after this lol. with all the talk that is going on ps3 should be a system of "the future" so to speak. sony wont need a new system until 2020 or so if it is as great as it sounds. msft will be trying to build new systems every year to try to find something to even begin comparing to ps3. the 8 other processors steveo is referring to will be performing above 4gigs. goodluck with competing bill. ps3 "fanyboy" as we are refered to on here.

11. Posted Feb 10, 2020, 6:40 AM ET by Bill gates

I just want to let all of you know that i will suck you dry, even if i still continue to make no profit on my xboxes. I beleive that using pc-based arcitecture is the way forward, not for better games, but for global domination. (which by the way i already have) I like to give the consumers no-choice, i like to give software developers no choice, i like to control all choices in this games market. Sony...you had better watch out cos even if your ps3 is better, dont worry I have enough money to not only forcefully buy the rights to your system (using corupt courts) and take you to the cleaners, but also i could if i wanted PAY everyone in the world to take my x-boxes and still have loads of money left over.

12. Posted Feb 10, 2020, 4:16 PM ET by si

Xbox came out after PS2, and is technically superior to PS2, i owned a PS2 but got fed up of the dated looking graphics so i switched to Xbox as the graphics still look fresh and next gen. this time around i think the PS3 will be technically better and hold a longer shelf life. also M S are making a mistake with the three tier Xbox 2 (without HD, with HD and P.C. style all singing all t.v. recording versions) too much choice, it just wont work!

13. Posted Feb 11, 2020, 9:58 PM ET by Chris

All I have to say is Halo 3 baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

14. Posted Feb 13, 2020, 2:48 AM ET by Todd

All of this "my new toy will be better" back and forth is highly speculative wishfull thinking until we see production machines displaying real-time, in-game graphics. XBOX had a pitiful library the first year, and as for "Cell", I have two words: Emotion Engine. Remember how it would be capable of rendering "Toy Story" quality CGI in real time? NOT! Theoretical performance is meaningless unless developers can wring it out into the real world.

15. Posted Feb 15, 2020, 1:41 AM ET by Andrew

What is everyone getting worked up about? your playing video games. What does it matter who's is better. you play what you like!I have a XBOX and a Playstation 2. I play the games I like. I dont choose on which one can process faster. Get over it. I do have to say this. XBOX online is far supperior to Playstation online.

16. Posted Feb 16, 2020, 2:11 AM ET by PandaBear

On paper it seems like PS3 will be faster. However, I am not sure if they are going to make it as is. The 200mm^2 chip is going to be a monster to make with high cost and low yield at 90nm, let alone cooling it with air cooling. The other thing is the way they design PS3 they have no dedicated GPU like XB2 have ATI to back them up. I know everyone say Nvidia is working on it but from review I see Sony want the 8 mini core in CELL to handle all kinds of stuff including graphics and AI, while Xbox will have 2 Power4 core and dedicated ATI GPU to help.

The most important thing that everyone seems to forget is: MS is a software company, and that is a good thing. Sony has problem in the past giving out easy SDK to game developer, let along this time with a completely new multicore chip that has 2 architecture on it, MS is good at compiler and all the work in the D3D can be most likely reused on the XB2, so it is like a drop in replacement for most PC game developer. Much less learning curve.

So in a nutshell: XB2 = 2 Power4 + ATI R500 + mature SDK PS3 = 1 Power4 + 8 Cell cores + unknown SDK

Who is going to win? I don't know

17. Posted Feb 16, 2020, 10:31 AM ET by nando_64

well, i think that microsoft has the best infraestructure in services than the others, like xbox live, the support and every all the services that they give to the xbox players, the games make more powerful the console, so i dont´think that the platform means something to have a good play...

18. Posted Feb 16, 2020, 10:32 AM ET by nando_64

well, i think that microsoft has the best infraestructure in services than the others, like xbox live, the support and every all the services that they give to the xbox players, the games make more powerful the console, so i dont´think that the platform means something to have a good play...

19. Posted Feb 16, 2020, 12:07 PM ET by twinkletoes

If you know anything about computer architecture, you will know that microsoft has a big problem in the console battle. Unless they have something big up there sleaves, cell computing will become the new standard. Think about it.I could go to the store spend 7000$ on a top of the line X86 chipset computer. When the Ps3 comes for 400-500$ it will blow the computer away in every category.(im talking gaming here). The cell chip is no hype, it will change computing forever. Ohh yea i got 1 more thing to say halo is for lamers

20. Posted Feb 16, 2020, 8:51 PM ET by jack sass

go xbox2 halo3 with better graphics(correct me if I'm wrong) better online play who cares about a stinkin cell chip and what not. peace out

21. Posted Feb 16, 2020, 8:57 PM ET by jack sass

also please micrsoft backward compatibility thats what I really want

22. Posted Feb 17, 2020, 7:37 PM ET by Jesse

As far as I know, there hasnt been any publication of any specifications for any system. Looking at the current systems, everyone knows the xbox has far better hardware and over double the speed of the ps2. Yet, the ps2 sells just as much if not more then the xbox, because of "the games" and the backwords comp.

I think that sony knows that it doesnt need to perform better then the xbox to sell more units. I think that sony will try to come out with a more cost efficient model and more sleek and stylish. And I think the xbox will come out again with another "top of the line" concole. It would be nice to be a developer now, because they are the ones who have the new xbox programming the games for it right now!

No one can call me a xbox or ps2 person because I dont own either of them. I still think the pc is the best for playing games =). You need a pc to program the games for the concole anyways!

And whoever said Halo sucks is a girl or has a game library of 99% rpgs. Get a life!

23. Posted Feb 18, 2020, 8:36 AM ET by Billy Maddison

(little kid)Mortal Combat is the best game ever. (Billy Maddison)I beg to differ, Donkey Kong is the best game ever. (little kid)Donkey Kong sucks! (Billy Maddison)You suck!....... Sorry but that's about as logical as the converstions going on in here. Microsoft, IBM, Apple, Sony and who ever else are all rich drinking buddies who all have investments in each others products...trust me! Both systems are great, to each his own!

24. Posted Feb 19, 2020, 8:06 AM ET by ¤ PINION CORPORATION ¤

The Playstation 2 survived against a superior system (XBOX) solely by reserving games licences. Although the xbox caught up later, the xbox 2 will have the advantage of an extra year (approx.) on the market to interest games developers and consumers. The console winner will be the corporation who puts the most money into the software of the system. Microsoft has developed very good games within their subsystem studios, and have an advantage because of their computer experience. But Sony has been around longer to develop very good business ties. The xbox 2 needs a great deal of good content to get it up and running, backwards compatability would help, because you would have to have a hole in your head to buy Halo 2.5. Sony needs the hype of a better system to survive the xbox 2's head start. And beware the Revolution. The nentendo model may prove a killer, at least for the 5 year olds.

25. Posted Feb 19, 2020, 11:59 PM ET by oO0 Hagrid 0Oo

Here's the thing, I loved my PS2, I loved GT3 and with that in mind I waited ..... waited and then sat and ponderd the unfairness of life. where I wonderd was GT4? Then Last year My brother Got An X-Box, It was like the parting of the red sea, PGR2, Halo. What was I doing, Then With the help of my cable, i found LIVE! It Rocks - needless to say I faild uni last year, and with the launch of x-box 2 I'm willing to bet Bill Gates will reign over all again, Sony cant hide behind the success of the PSOne and have proved to be complacent!

26. Posted Feb 22, 2020, 4:11 AM ET by Dave

Didn't we do the 'who will win' thing 4 years ago?

They will both survive in the begining, after the market levels out people will gradually move to the more higher end system. In the previous generation Playstaion 2 people were moving to Xbox or just kept their Gamecube. This time around it looks like PS3 will end up having the 'graphics' above Xbox 2.

However, if Xbox 2 is more PC oriented and is capable of playing your PC games it might last longer if it's marketed as a hybrid gaming PC/Console system.

Or it may just come down to Xbox 2 people saying 'we got Halo 3' and PS3 people saying 'but we got better graphics and Blu-ray'.

27. Posted Feb 23, 2020, 4:23 AM ET by Phenix Hacker

Sonys Playstation 3 will come with a 120 gig hard disk inside, which is also upgradeable, also it will come with the new gigabit LAN chipset. It will also integrate the new NVIDIA chipset which aloows the CELL to directly talk to the new NVIDIA GPU. The playstation 3 will be out by xmas, the games on the other hand will be far moe faster, longer and more interactive. The XBox 2 wont have the game degradeability of bieng able to player XBox 1 games, but the Playstation 3 can still play all your favourite playstation 1 and 2 games. Also the playstation 3 will have wireless networking intergrated into it, with the new advances in wireless controllers also, the PLaystation 3 is set to be one of the most advanced gaming consoles EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

28. Posted Feb 23, 2020, 8:13 AM ET by bjorn

>So in a nutshell: >XB2 = 2 Power4 + ATI R500 + mature SDK >PS3 = 1 Power4 + 8 Cell cores + unknown SDK

Eh...no... PS3 will be using 4 Cell processors... so... using your terminology

PS3 = 4 Power4 + 32 Cell cores + unknown SDK

Having gone through all the info I could lay my hands on about Cell... I'd say that - sell your Intel and AMD stock NOW... when that baby goes into PCs, they can give up... unless they've got something smiliar cooking in secret..

PS3... baby Cray!

Me? I'm an Xbox fan... though the info says I will have to be on both systems in days to come.

Elderscrolls V on Cell processors anyone...:-P

29. Posted Feb 23, 2020, 1:34 PM ET by Jesse

Can anyone please list any sites or resources the states the specifications of the systems? I dont think there has been any release dates. But coming out for christmas would probably be the best selling point for either of the systems. What I dont understand is how anyone can think the ps3 will be coming out for christmas if there hasnt been any sdk released for it (Unless there has, and they are doing a very good job on keeping it a secret). It takes good games to be made up with a large team of programmers, graphic designers, etc. and that takes usually at least a year now and days. And with the new systems coming out with the state of the art technology, its going to take even a great more deal of detail to be put into the game. So, I wouldnt put any bets on the ps3 coming out for christmas. The xbox2 might have a chance.

What I am also wondering is how the ps3 would look like. Because if there is going to be more under the "hood" then there is also going to be more and bigger hardware put into it. When I think of the playstation, I think of a slim, stylish, cool looking system. And its getting even smaller, with the new slim that came out. I just cant imagine what the ps3 will look like, it will be a ps2 on steriods, lol =).

One other thing, why is it that the councles are now supposably coming out with the state of the art technology, which has never happened before? Systems have always came out with older technology, but the processors always were programmed just for running games, not the multi-task processors which are used on computers, which made the games run alot smoother and faster. Why hasnt the new cell cores come available for the pcs?

Well, thats my two cents. Im sure both systems will blow our minds when they come out. =)

30. Posted Feb 25, 2020, 7:30 AM ET by aart

how can you be sure what kind of chip microsoft puts in its xbox 2, maybe by may, when its unveiled they have put a even better chip in it i own a xbox and i can say that its technology and games are far superior than either the gamecube or the ps2 i think that if halo2.5 is released the same will happen what happened when halo 1 or halo 2 was released

31. Posted Feb 26, 2020, 1:56 PM ET by Jamal Slim

Blah Blah Blah. PS3 this, XBOX 2 that. Hasn't anyone ever heard of that company called Nintendo? Look, they've made some mistakes; ok a lot of mistakes, but they have some heavy hitters on the GameCube right now. You see, it's just that people don't appreciate innovation, it's all about the graphics. So, you can bash on Nintendo all you want, but they're not going down, and in the end, you know you're going to want all three consoles for one reason or another.

P.S. I don't hate Sony or Microsoft, infact, I love them, but I'm just saying that for the past few years, Nintendo hasn't been getting enough credit or hype.

32. Posted Mar 1, 2020, 8:11 PM ET by brentson buckner

all you xbox2 fans shut up. you all know sony runs the gaming industry and you also know that the chip sony is about to put into the ps3 is going to produce way better graphics than some dumb blueray crap.ps3 is the only way to go!

33. Posted Mar 3, 2020, 12:43 PM ET by FantasyFinal

Who cares which system will be more powerful or have better graphics, it's the games that make the system!!!

The fact remains that Sony puts out better games for their systems more often than Nintendo or Microsoft, they don't have to rely on one game for them to survive. How often from xbox owners do you hear "but what about halo" or a from Nintendo "we have zelda" both of which are great games but can't support an entire roster for a system.

Let's take a walk back in time to when nintendo pulled the plug on sony's cd-rom for the snes! I bet they wish they didn't now! It was this move that enraged sony enough to enter the console market and from that time on dominate it! The psx released with a strong lineup of games and after a few months had a large library of QUALITY titles that other companies couldn't compete with(something microsoft forgot last time). With the ps2 they again delivered top notch games straight away and I can't see them doing anything different with the ps3(exclusive GTA for ps3 anyone?).

I agree that Sony perhaps took the threat of Microsoft a little light last time and were outdone tech-wise, but certainly not game-wise(and definatly not looks wise, what an ugly box the xbox is!).

I own both systems, see im not a ps fanboy exactly, but find that I play my ps2 far more than I play my xbox. Why? coz Iv'e finished halo so what else is there to play? mmmmmmm I think I'll play GTA:SA for a while! aahhh good ol playstation!

So what is microsoft gonna do? More power than ps3? No Better games than ps3? No Ok Ok better graphics? No probably not(nvidia seems to have climbed to the top again) how about online play? Now here's a chance for xbox2 to shine, but probably won't due to the fact sony will definatly improve their online capabilities and will more or less be the same as xbox2.

Conclusion: I'll probably buy both again but i have a feeling the Sony console will be the better system and in the end prove that Bill( and all his money) can't control everything! Go back to your pc in your room Bill!

34. Posted Mar 3, 2020, 3:04 PM ET by Jesse

I would just like to respond back to what everyone else has said so far.

************************************** Quote: Jamal Slim: Hasn't anyone ever heard of that company called Nintendo?...

I dont think anyone here has said anything bad about nentendo, everyone is responding to the FORUM TOPIC. Nentendo has nothing to do with this topic. We are talking about what we think between the ps3 and the xbox, which will have more under the hood. **************************************

************************************** Quote: Jamal Slim: So, you can bash on Nintendo all you want, but they're not going down, and in the end, you know you're going to want all three consoles for one reason or another...

My Opinion: I think that Nintendo will end up with the same fate as Sega. I think Nintendo will probably stop making systems and end up making games for another company. Have you seen their newest release?! The DS isnt exactly the next generation. I think that is going to be their biggest failer unless they come up with better games and fix their hardware issues. Once the PSP comes out, the DS will probably go out as fast as the Sega 32x. This is all just my opinion though. =) **************************************

************************************** Quote: brentson buckner: all you xbox2 fans shut up. you all know sony runs the gaming industry and you also know that the chip sony is about to put into the ps3 is going to produce way better graphics...

1.) Speak for yourself 2.) Sony does not run or own the gaming industry, (I dont think you can own it. Oo) 3.) Until the systems are benched, noone knows which one will produce better graphics 4.) End of discussion **************************************

************************************** Quote: FantasyFinal: The fact remains that Sony puts out better games for their systems more often than Nintendo or Microsoft,...

In your taste in games that may be true, but Microsoft just made the smartest move EVER. They hired the creater of Final Fantasy to make games exclusively for the xbox! So the new coming xbox should by far make up for its deficiency in the RPG genre. So maybe you might change your mind.

In my taste, I think the Xbox comes with greater games and when a game comes out for all the systems, the xbox is superior in that its graphics are improved more in the game. **************************************

************************************** Quote: FantasyFinal: I agree that Sony perhaps took the threat of Microsoft a little light last time...

Why would Sony take Microsoft lightly!? That would be like entering a race and looking over to see a dodge viper and someone saying, "Dont worry about that, its got nothing." (Microsoft being the viper of course) But where im trying to get at is Sony knew they were in for a hell of a ride when they found out that Microsoft wants to play too. Sony is definately in the lead with having their systems and games already out, but not taking Microsoft lightly; thats just plain stupidity.

Btw...is it just me, or if you were Bill Gates, would you of gave up the business A LONG time ago...what else does he have to prove?? **************************************

************************************** Quote: FantasyFinal: So what is microsoft gonna do? More power than ps3? No Better games than ps3? No Ok Ok better graphics? No probably not(nvidia seems to have climbed to the top again) how about online play? Now here's a chance for xbox2 to shine, but probably won't due to the fact sony will definatly improve their online capabilities and will more or less be the same as xbox2.

These are all your opinons. Nothing you stated is a proven fact. **************************************

35. Posted Mar 5, 2020, 11:19 AM ET by wasim

xbox2 would lose out even in USA ...look at the new technology that is being introduced....THE CELL ---10 times powerful than intel processors...ps3 is giving xbox2 as well as intel sleepless nights.....can halo match final fantasy series...no absolutely not....u gotta remember that the number of fans playing action or shooting games are now very limited especially when you have parental intervention with the rumours/facts that these shooting/action games make you a little inclined to criminal activities....as for me GTA can endure any challenge from xbox2 and gamecube next...not to mention final fantasy and metal gear solid,GT,devil may cry etc..intel should be thinking about innovations now...microsoft xbox2 cd only be a secondary "HIT" in USA but it is very disheartening to say that "THE SAGA IS OVER BEFORE IT HAS EVER BEGUN"....the sales of ps2 against xbox is 81 million:19 million...and the figures for xbox 2 would be much less....i can predict the magic number for microsoft.....and i also know one strategy that would increase their sales by as much as 387.33% but microsoft would have to consult me for that provided they fulfill some requirements.

36. Posted Mar 6, 2020, 9:25 PM ET by M0E

Sony's biggest problem in my opinion is their quality control, the PS2 has great games and a great following, but the hardware is junk, I have had two PS2's and going on my third since 2020 this is because of mostly disk read errors. I have had an X-box for almost as long and it is still the original system. I don't get it, I had a Playstation from when they first came out and had no trouble. I hope that Sony addresses this very important issue with the PS3, because what good are awsome games if you cant play them.

37. Posted Mar 9, 2020, 10:01 PM ET by Toronto Student

have to agree with M0E, if Sony puts its Act Together it could criple MS

38. Posted Mar 11, 2020, 3:24 AM ET by Halycon404

Sony, PS2 is/was junk. From a hardware standpoint. Someone above said 81 million of the units sold. How many of those were replacement units for defects on the original. I've been through 2 myself, and my second one is going. Which forces me to replace it with the slimline, an even worse model. Seriously, what geniuses at sony decided to place the GPU and the CPU right next to them without a fan? Defect rate in them are absurdly high. Then lets add what the president of sony had to say about the PSP into thoughts on the PS3. The square button on the PSP is noticably unresponsive on many units shipped, and was responsible for many many returns. His reply was that "we created the most beautiful thing(pompus ass) and a defect or two shouldn't take away from it being the most beautiful thing created." or something to that respect. If sony continues with that type of buisness practice, they'll kill themselves reguardless of what sort of games they put out. MS got away with it in the software industry forever because they were the only game in town, but that is no longer so. MS is slowly changing its buisness practices in that arena. While sony seems to not care at all what it puts out, as long as they can sell it. M$ recalled power cords on a 1 in 10000 defect rate. 1 in 10000! I worked at a game store, on the PS2 slimline, we had an entire shipment defective. Outside of that shipment, for the first 2 months PStwo was in the 50% defective ballpark. And not a single recall. Reguardless of which system has more horsepower(and I'm very dubious on it being PS3. New tech, while shiny and nice, rarely if ever works as advertised) their ethics will end up killing them in the long run. I personally won't ever buy another sony console untill they stop shipping products known to have problems and then refusing to even see it as such.

39. Posted Mar 11, 2020, 9:57 AM ET by charles candy

from what I see , xbox2 going to be big threat to PS3. this due to, again sony make big mistake in they development kits(no matter how good PS3 machine to XBOX2) . MS on other hand promise SDK that allow eazy porting game from PC to XBOX.

if sony not find a solution to they SDK , they going to lose, because game maker will choose SDK that enable them eazy / fast to create games and not to mention eazy to port to PC games

40. Posted Mar 13, 2020, 5:20 PM ET by Noel

Here's a link to some specs for all three of the new consoles.

http://news.com.com/FAQ+The+next+video+game+consoles/2100-10

41. Posted Mar 13, 2020, 6:31 PM ET by Toronto Student

my money is on Xbox....

42. Posted Mar 14, 2020, 11:21 AM ET by Hunt

Um, not a lot to say. I started on the PS1, loved Tekken1, 2 and 3, played Wipeout 2097, Actua Soccer 1 and that's pretty much it, but they were all fantastic games.

I saw Halo on the XBox after having played a couple of first-person perspective shoot-'em ups on the PC. I really went for this game type.

I haven't played many games on the PS2, just a bond game and one of the GTA games, but they just don't give me the same feeling as Halo.

I hate the way Microsoft strangle everyone they have dealings with, but if they produce the best system, then thats where I'm gonna spend my money. I haven't been lured into XBox-Live, I'm waiting for Halo2 on PC, I've heard it might never come, but I have no plans to get XBox_Live (ever!).

I think its safe to say that PS produce better games as a whole, but I think Microsoft has produced the best game - i.e. Halo. Now, Microsoft are relying on Halo players to be loyal and thats a big bet if they're gonna do something like not producing Halo2 on the PC. I'm already loathing the fact that Microsoft are intertwined into pretty much everything. I hope PS proves to be the better machine, but I'm not overly confident. I can't see Microsoft humiliating themselves! (Can you?)

43. Posted Mar 14, 2020, 11:21 AM ET by Hunt

Um, not a lot to say. I started on the PS1, loved Tekken1, 2 and 3, played Wipeout 2097, Actua Soccer 1 and that's pretty much it, but they were all fantastic games.

I saw Halo on the XBox after having played a couple of first-person perspective shoot-'em ups on the PC. I really went for this game type.

I haven't played many games on the PS2, just a bond game and one of the GTA games, but they just don't give me the same feeling as Halo.

I hate the way Microsoft strangle everyone they have dealings with, but if they produce the best system, then thats where I'm gonna spend my money. I haven't been lured into XBox-Live, I'm waiting for Halo2 on PC, I've heard it might never come, but I have no plans to get XBox_Live (ever!).

I think its safe to say that PS produce better games as a whole, but I think Microsoft has produced the best game - i.e. Halo. Now, Microsoft are relying on Halo players to be loyal and thats a big bet if they're gonna do something like not producing Halo2 on the PC. I'm already loathing the fact that Microsoft are intertwined into pretty much everything. I hope PS proves to be the better machine, but I'm not overly confident. I can't see Microsoft humiliating themselves! (Can you?)

44. Posted Mar 14, 2020, 12:18 PM ET by aart

the ps3 may have a 50/10 times better processor than the intel 3.8ghz, there arent games that need that kind of power, half life 2 for xample runs smoothly on a 2.4 ghz system so if you make the processor 50 times better you have a really xpensive processor and games that you also can play on the xbox2 with equal graphics its maybe a good idea but there arent much games that need such a thing and its gonna be really expensive to make such games so rices will go up as well im gonna buy an xbox 2 cuz i had an xbox and i think it is superior and remember its not the technology, its the games that make the machine

45. Posted Mar 14, 2020, 2:38 PM ET by LocalQuack

Sony's 'Cell' is going to goto waste if they use Blu-ray disc. Because as of right now the best blu-ray drives can only transfer 36.5 Mbps, meanwhile DVD's can get upwards to 177 Mbps. At 36.5 there might be some long loading screens to play GTA:XXVI.

46. Posted Mar 14, 2020, 2:38 PM ET by LocalQuack

Sony's 'Cell' is going to goto waste if they use Blu-ray disc. Because as of right now the best blu-ray drives can only transfer 36.5 Mbps, meanwhile DVD's can get upwards to 177 Mbps. At 36.5 there might be some long loading screens to play GTA:XXVI.

47. Posted Mar 22, 2020, 10:27 AM ET by Redfinith

So you think puttting such a chip into a system is a waste because we simply don't have games that require such a thing? Sony is doing far more then just using this brilliant little chip. You really don't think they would start openning the doors too games so realistic our minds neevr before could comprehend them no that thye have better technology then X-box can ever dream of having in enough time to compete with sony. And 81million too 19 million because they've all gone defect. You my friend are an idiot. I've seen more defective X-boxs then I can count. My futureshpo had to send back their entire shopment of X-box systems because they were defective. You all think Ps2 gets these problems readin discs because its technology is crappy hell no. If you just played game on it like your supposed too it would never break. I've had mine 4 years never had a single problem and I never will. The disc reading technology althoughcapible of reading DVD moives IS NOT MEANT TOO. Sure sony advertised this a bit and that was porr on there part but anyone should know that the lens is not meant to handle reading movies. The disc for the two is the same yes reading both however is a completely different process.

Playing DVD movies in your ps2 24/7 will ruin the lens yes its not meant for that its meant for games IT CAN play dvd movies that is not its purpose.

Of course X-box doesnt stand a chance at all against Ps3 it never did. Microsoft is rushing there asses off the find something to try and compete with ps3 but it just won't happened.

Hell they even hired IBM for themselves after they learned about the Chip hoping Ibm would save them sorry not going to happen.

Microsoft and IBM flat out dislike eachother and you can count on IBM keeping anything outstanding that may give microsoft a chance to themselves.

And a former post was right.

Where would X-box be without Halo? Nowhere

Where would nedtindoes gamecube be without zelda? Nowhere

there is nothing else for either system there games cant compete with classics and up and rising titles.

Final fantasy has obviously sold more games then any other on earth and this will only be found on ps3.

Gt3 beat out halo in sales (if you dont believe me look it up)

Microsoft just wont be able to compete with ps2 for a few years.

And like I said expect new games never anything but imagined before.

The chip with show you games you've only been able to think about. The technology with make more better performance.

By 2020 any with a brian will be going Halo what?

48. Posted Mar 24, 2020, 10:20 AM ET by the ps2 fanboy punisher

learn 2 spell fuck head

49. Posted Mar 24, 2020, 10:23 AM ET by Brian

In the history of the console wars the system that is the most powerful has never been on top. Sony plans to change all that, and remain the number one console system three generations in a row. No console has done this before, not counting the Game boy line of course. Now the next Generation of systems will be won on quality software, no one will care how many floating-point calculations a system can do if the software sucks.

Halo is Microsoft’s flagship franchise Zelda & Mario are Nintendo’s flagship franchises Sony has some but they just don’t stand out to me, one thing Sony has done well is they have the best third party support around.

If Microsoft can court some of Japans biggest developers then they will be off to a good start.

Sony to remain on top will need to keep the games coming, but if there system is too hard for developers to make games they might find themselves moving to another console just like Nintendo did pushing developers to Sony during the N64 and Playstation 1 days.

Microsoft should take this launch time to come up with another flagship game at launch giving people more reason to move to Xbox.

For me I’ll buy the Revolution on launch day (if I see what I like at E3), and depending on the launch games I’ll most likely wait on the Xbox Next, and PS3 until Halo 3, and Final Fantasy 13.

50. Posted Mar 24, 2020, 1:17 PM ET by Michael

History has shown no system has ever "lost" in the console wars with the exception of sega, who is still around making a profit with games, gamecube was an obvious low point of this generations console wars but its still alive and kicking, PS3 Xbox2 and the Revolution are going to battle it out just the same, dont' look forward to either Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo to be throwing the towel in any time soon.

51. Posted Mar 24, 2020, 2:15 PM ET by the ps2 fanboy punisher

hey xbox is and always will be the best, do you think the bill gates will lose even though he is 50 times richer than sony, hes the richest manin the world!!!!!!!!

i hav nothing against play station but 4 gods sake (im not a beliver by the way) plz give xbox your much needed support

oh and everyone who has heard of the gta 5 coming out on xbox soon (probs all of u) u can thank me coz me and my friends sent thousands of emails to take 2 to try to convince them and gave them a link to a partition page with ovr 100 000 names on and they replied saying "we at take 2 take all of our costomers seriously and are proud to publish.......ect.....we have decided to put san andreas on xbox" so i think i made a difference ,hell knows. im only 13

well cant wait to xbox 2 and halo 3

peace out

who will win???????????????????????????????

52. Posted Mar 24, 2020, 2:24 PM ET by the ps2 fanboy punisher

hey xbox is and always will be the best, do you think the bill gates will lose even though he is 50 times richer than sony, hes the richest manin the world!!!!!!!!

i hav nothing against play station but 4 gods sake (im not a beliver by the way) plz give xbox your much needed support

oh and everyone who has heard of the gta 5 coming out on xbox soon (probs all of u) u can thank me coz me and my friends sent thousands of emails to take 2 to try to convince them and gave them a link to a partition page with ovr 100 000 names on and they replied saying "we at take 2 take all of our costomers seriously and are proud to publish.......ect.....we have decided to put san andreas on xbox" so i think i made a difference ,hell knows. im only 13

well cant wait to xbox 2 and halo 3

peace out

who will win???????????????????????????????

53. Posted Mar 25, 2020, 8:49 AM ET by aart

if the ps2 sold more than the technologically superior xbox so why cant the xbox2 sell more than the ps3 if it has some good launch games

54. Posted Mar 25, 2020, 2:40 PM ET by Sanumasa

UM, did anyone take the time to go to the link provided by Noel? It is from March 11, of this year. The XBOX 2 will use a custom chip from IBM modeled after Big Blue technology, you know, that little computer that plays CHESS against some of the greatest human minds on the planet (and wins on occasion). Talk about the current AI in ANY game on ANY system, vey few could play chess. Any way, they are saying 256 billion inst. per sec. on ps3. One Tera Flop per sec. on XBOX 2. Most video game playing couch potatoes can't compute more than a few (one or two) computation per second, heheheh. I kid, I kid. Any way, if either system can live up to the hype that will be nice, but, if M$ can actuall pull out One Tera Flop of computational power on this platform, end of story. It would take a human being an entire lifetime to count to one trillion, let alone performing a Trillion mathmatical calculations......in a second, over and over, and over. When you think of it like that, even 256 billion instructios in a second is quite impressive. Now, let's see those SDK's..........

55. Posted Mar 28, 2020, 3:10 PM ET by Darren

Interesting comment from EA. I mean, odd. But interesting.

You know, if I had quipped that the PS3 had a little more under the hood, I would not be hinting: "it's twice the power", or "forget the Xbox2" What I would really be saying is that the XBox2 doesn't need bloated numbers to hold the court, as it were.

To recap on this issue, the PS3 is speculated as having 4x Cell. Each Cell unit has 2.5Mb of on-die cache. Each Cell unit is capable of 256Gigaflops and 4x 256Gigaflops = 1Teraflop. I DON'T THINK SO. Are you telling me (IBM, Sony, Toshiba) that the PS3 is going to have 4x 2.5Mb = 10Mb of on-die cache? Just for the CPU Cell array? The CPU that is purportedly going to be running at over 4Ghz? I simply don't believe that that is fiscally viable.

Then there is nVidia's almost "we don't even exist with the PS3, but thought we'd mention it" with their developments to integrate and link their Geforce core architecture to XDR-RDRAM and the Cell itself.

It must be considered that ATI will provide the Xbox2's GPU with on-die cache (and that should be 10Mb on-die cache to support HD 1280x720). Xbox2 will be a simple, but very powerful, solution for DX9+ game developments. They're not remaking anything to be anything more than what they already have going with the PC games dev industry. Then there's the CPU for Xbox2. It's not fantastic, but I keep thinking, "Yeah, that makes sense. That's good enough."

If I was anyone, I would be very suspicious of the Cell CPU, and that, if you ask me, the Cell CPU that is being specced to the unwitting audience, is probably looking at the most advanced state of the Cell chip- the "king". We haven't seen the games console "pawn" yet. The one going in the PS3 might be in the form of 4x Cell, but I don't think these 4 Cell chips are going to be doing 4Ghz+ with 10Mb being available to them. NO WAY.

So anyway, Nvidia's GPU for the PS3. If 2 years have gone by, the GPU must be as finished as finished can be, and I have to wonder why NO ONE is realising the simple facts here: If that nVidia GPU is nothing short of fantastic, you can hope for that Cell chip to be as fast as you damn well like, with a much Gigagingoflops as you damn well think it has. It doesn't mean zip if it's just a Geforce 6800 with a couple of modifications to work with the insane approximations having been made of the Cell.

I hope I'm wrong, but everytime I think of the Xbox2, I go to myself: Yeah, that's good. That makes sense. Not too brilliant as it should be, but it's not flabby either. And knowing ATI, they don't need to spend 2 years fucking around trying to get it to work with an architecture as maddeningly long winded as it appears dodgy. ATI will just ramp the fuck out of the X800 core and make Microsoft feel like nVidia was a bad first choice.

Still. The PS3 is fantastic, it sounds fantastic. It really is. But EA saying, "it's got more under the hood", really makes me cringe. nVidia spent 2 years making some PS3 compatible chip. Well, after the first year, they'd have the core design pretty mapped out. And then another year thinking they'd need to "Geforce 6800+" it.

ATI must be thinking, "Boy, Microsoft sure make it easy. Tough on nVidia I say. I guess they were desparate."

I don't like the Xbox1. But I sure do like the current information coming from the Xbox2. It just sounds really good.

PS3/ Ouch, sorry. But it sounds like Microsoft and ATI are doing a much more rounded and more competitive product. And do I sense that the Xbox3 is already in development to finish off the PS3?

56. Posted Mar 29, 2020, 7:27 PM ET by LocalQuack

Redfinith, yeah sony could have ultra realistic games on the PS3 but if they use a blu-ray drive they will be bottle necking the whole system. 36.5 Kbps tranfer rate isn't very fast.

57. Posted Apr 3, 2020, 7:53 AM ET by Turkdaone

The xbox 2 will own the ps3 for the following reasons:

1)the ps3 cell chip just sounds too expensive to add to a system that may have a price cut.ill bet that sony will use a watered down version of the cell chip! 2)Blu ray is a new format once again not cheap not even proven that consumers want it. 3)backwards compatible with ps1,2 games?if so ps3 will not be sleek and sexy think 2xps2! 4)hard drive? once again how much are u guys willing to spend for this system?$500-550? 4)they will try and compete with microsoft, tivo capabilities? man this just sounds too expensive.Remember systems move up gradually they dont move up light years into the future think ps1-ps2,nintendo 64-gamecube,sega saturn-sega dreamcast! see the gradual increase in power this gen a little above what top pc is doing now. 5)nintendo and xbox2 sound logical- sony sounds like a exaggerated lie!but only time will tell

58. Posted Apr 4, 2020, 3:17 PM ET by steve

ok first of all, the halo franchise is an above avg game, it isnt great. i dont know why everyone thinks xbox2 is going to win the console war with 1 game. everyone knows the ps2 has like 10x more games and more quality games then xbox. yea i agree the xbox has better graphics than the ps2 thats a givin, but a great game with not as great grahpics is prefered over any game that has better graphics than crappy gameplay.

botomline the ps3 will have a huge game base unlike the xbox2. just look at the numbers from this gen consoles, and games per console. sony has a huge following as it is, they dont have to win over too many new gamers.

about the graphics capabilities of the ps3 and xbox2, i wouldnt worry about it, nvidia knows what its doing, take ati and nvidias latest greatest, and nvidia wins handsdown on most benchmark tests (a simple vs. search will show)

ill be looking fwd to quality games like, GTA, GT5, FF13, tekken 6, ace combat6 and so on, while xbox2 will get what?! halo 3, whooppee! sure u will get a new GTA but about a year after the ps3 will have it

59. Posted Apr 7, 2020, 3:47 AM ET by Darren

Posted Apr 4, 2020, 3:17 PM ET by steve

And of course, the PS2 has been around for 5-7 years... and only has 10 decent games? Of that number, only a handful of games developers can get to grips with the PS2's architecture... and by that, I mean Polyphony Digital seem only capable of doing this. GT3 came about 4-5 years in to the consoles' life.

Putting this in perspective, can anyone here possibly imagine how long 'decent' games will arrive for the PS3? Or are we simply talking marginal improvements over PC developments, because that isn't good enough in the first 5 years.

The Xbox2 on the other hand, may have a triple-core PowerPC CPU and that this in itself may represent some aspects of development troubles, but it's also clear that Mark Rein of Epic was instrumental in leading Microsoft (and perhaps IBM) to developing such a CPU to support and be ideally suited to, one game engine. Unreal3.

If someone would politely ask how Unreal3's engine could run on PS3, I bet there would be a long, long, long pause over the eventual determination of the actual question.

The fact is, Xbox2 was designed with the Unreal3 engine as a core medium.

Now don't get me wrong. I think the PS3 is a tremendous design architecture for a 'games console' (a games console for goodness sakes), but I don't want to wait 3-5 years per game with content encompassing 25Gb of data and a strenuous period of 1-5 games developers only being able to make use of 40-60% of the console in that time. Then that being reduced to just a single developer after 5 years attaining over 80%.

The Xbox2, simply, will not have this problem. It's a goddamn games-orientated, designed-for-games, designed-for-unreal3 engine, PC, er, games console.

Is Microsoft just taking the easy route? Hell, yeah. Does anyone else here take the easy route? ...

60. Posted Apr 10, 2020, 10:07 AM ET by amer

ps3 is the strongest console it can beat the xbox2. the reason that xbox is better than ps2 is that time. the microsoft took time to advance there console and to see the problems with the ps2. so now is the war will be and i am sure ps3 is the winner. About the next gamecube which the revolution i say it is out of the war poor!. And they don't have something to talk about

61. Posted Apr 11, 2020, 2:34 AM ET by Kewl

Microsoft has gone out and gotten 2KGames, Activision Inc., Atari Inc., Bandai Co. Ltd., Bethesda Softworks LLC, Buena Vista Games Inc., Capcom Co. Ltd., Codemasters Software Company Ltd., Eidos Inc., Electronic Arts Inc., FromSoftware Inc., InterServ International, KOEI Co. Ltd., Konami Corp., LucasArts, Majesco Entertainment, Midway Games Inc., Namco Ltd., Phantagram Co. Ltd., Rockstar Games, SCi Games Ltd., SEGA, Tecmo Ltd., THQ Inc., TWP Corp., Ubisoft Entertainment, Vivendi Universal Games Inc. and Webzen Inc on their side.

Plus Yoshiki Okamoto's(Street Fighter and Resident Evil) Game Republic Inc., Hironobu Sakaguchi's(Final Fantasy) Mistwalker and Tetsuya Mizuguchi's Q Entertainment Inc(The company behind that great PSP game Lumines) have all joined Microsoft gaming studio.

Quality games was never a problem with Xbox, and quality games will sure not be a problem with the next.

62. Posted Apr 12, 2020, 7:06 AM ET by smart guy

Gamers beware! Before choosing a next gen. console read these fact about sony making fool out of you. -Sony have said that cell is 10 times more powerful than any current PC processor.it will generate 256 gigaflops of processing power.actuually ATI's X850 XT Platinum edition generates 207 gigaflops of processing power,that is definitly not 10 times less than that of cell.The reason Sony have not considered GPUs is that GPU is not a general purpose processor(for graphics only).Nowadays PC games totally rely on GPU power.By the end of this year ATI are releasing R520 which will be able to generate more than 400 gigaflops of power.The most processing is required only by the graphics.Cell might look fancy now but compare it with the GPUs of the time when PlayStation 3 will release.With a single cell and Nvidia GPU(custom) ,based on this and the next generation technology,PS3 wont be able to beat xbox360(with next gen ATI card and total 1 teraflop)and up coming PCs .By the time of release,PS3 wont be any different from what PS2 was at its time of release.Sony have been calling cell "supercomputer on a chip when its not even close to the supercomputers of nowadays.

IMPORTANT:If yo have heard that PS3 will contain 4 cell,this is totally wrong.What sony have told to BBC,CNET and CNN is that PS3's cell chip will be capable of 256 gigaflops and will run faster than 4GHz.The rumer of 4 Cells was spread by Nicholas Blachford,who has no relation with SONY,PLAYSTATION or CELL. Actually Sony are even having problems putting a single full Cell because the technology is new and they have to look for keeping the price down.

-"a chain is as strong as its weakest link" PS3's weakest link is bluray.bluray is an unmature tech and is still under development.The data transfer rate of best bluray drives avaialable is 4 to 5 times less than that of best DVD drives.BLURAY is not nice for loadinng high detailed textures of nextgen games at 60 frames per second.This means by the time of fall 2020 developers of games of that time will have to cut detail to make the game run smooth and to decrease loading time.

63. Posted Apr 13, 2020, 10:18 AM ET by Toronto Books

any know the expected release of xbox2 and ps3?

64. Posted Apr 13, 2020, 11:58 AM ET by aart

somebody told me that the xbox2 is releasing october

65. Posted Apr 15, 2020, 9:55 AM ET by aart

somebody told me that the xbox2 is releasing october

66. Posted Apr 15, 2020, 1:46 PM ET by Marty

XB360 Sucks....PS3 will really rock...

XB360(Crap Name) = 1 Power4(3 Cores) + ATI GPU PS3 = 4-6 Power5 + 8 Cell cores each + Nvidia GPU

67. Posted Apr 15, 2020, 3:28 PM ET by QuadGod

I love opinions. I love facts. But I really love inaccurate facts--which so many of you are guilty of. --------------------------- Pay attention. This is going to be good.

Hardware...it's a fun thing to compare. But listen closely--the next generation of consoles and PCs are going to be so powerfull, the difference in poly-count, particle FX, dynamic lighting, and texture quality is going to be moot.

Here are a few shots of next-gen games (the system doesnt matter, they are all amazing)

--------These are all IN-GAME shots

http://www.unrealtechnology.com/html/technology/ue30.shtml

http://www.gameinfowire.com/image.asp?iid=40996&gid=1335&pg=…

http://www.games-fusion.net/screens/thumbnails.php?album=57

---------------------------------- Those are just a few. Of course Unreal 3 looks the best at the moment--and that is where the graphics are going to be on Next-Gen consoles.

Do you really care about graphics anymore? ----------------------------------

As far as the games for each of the consoles--there will be plenty. But those of us that know, know: Sony has always had the most support, and largest library of any console ever. This is not a fanboy saying this--it's actual fact.

Don't talk to me about flagship games either. Every console has AAA titles. And you can bet the new systems will house more of the same quality for each console. There will not be a lack of beautifully created games for any system. I fear, in my opinion, Nintendo will fall behind. Xbox2 and PS3 are just too big right now--and because of the faultering GC, a nice bit of their fans have run to either PS2 and Xbox. --------------------------------- As far as the now--Xbox and PS2 are BOTH successes. Each one housing a nice handfull of AAA games. Each one having supurb graphics. Each one designed, and created with great thought and savvy. Nuff said there. ------------------------------------

A word on future game budgets:

The few of us that work in the industry, or follow it closely knows that a top-title game can come close to, if not exceed a Hollywood budget film. There was a quote by a user up top stating, "What are you worried about the tech for, they can't utilize this in games...the budget..blah blah" Well, I think my in-game screenshots of Unreal 3 should shut you up quickly. Clearly, if the technology allows it, the artists will sap it for all it's worth.

Game engines, and tools used are getting much more fluent, and stream-lined in their content creation. If you pre-build the tools, and SDK to utilize the next-gen game engines and tech, the creation of amazing content can be quickly implimented. Just becuase the game is that much prettier, doesn't mean it took a lot more time to create. --Great tools = Great games-- Regardless of budget.

In conclusion:

Within 20 years, we WILL be playing FF:the spirits within in real time. Games will be more real than you might want. I love FPShooters, but do I really want to blow somebodies head off? Not me, but games like "Manhunt" did well--I suppose some people will get off to it.

What's "under the hood" is not going to matter for Xbox2 and PS3. And it cerainly won't matter for Xbox3 and PS4.

Play hard. Don't forget to sleep.

--Quodgod

68. Posted Apr 15, 2020, 3:28 PM ET by QuadGod

I love opinions. I love facts. But I really love inaccurate facts--which so many of you are guilty of. --------------------------- Pay attention. This is going to be good.

Hardware...it's a fun thing to compare. But listen closely--the next generation of consoles and PCs are going to be so powerfull, the difference in poly-count, particle FX, dynamic lighting, and texture quality is going to be moot.

Here are a few shots of next-gen games (the system doesnt matter, they are all amazing)

--------These are all IN-GAME shots

http://www.unrealtechnology.com/html/technology/ue30.shtml

http://www.gameinfowire.com/image.asp?iid=40996&gid=1335&pg=…

http://www.games-fusion.net/screens/thumbnails.php?album=57

---------------------------------- Those are just a few. Of course Unreal 3 looks the best at the moment--and that is where the graphics are going to be on Next-Gen consoles.

Do you really care about graphics anymore? ----------------------------------

As far as the games for each of the consoles--there will be plenty. But those of us that know, know: Sony has always had the most support, and largest library of any console ever. This is not a fanboy saying this--it's actual fact.

Don't talk to me about flagship games either. Every console has AAA titles. And you can bet the new systems will house more of the same quality for each console. There will not be a lack of beautifully created games for any system. I fear, in my opinion, Nintendo will fall behind. Xbox2 and PS3 are just too big right now--and because of the faultering GC, a nice bit of their fans have run to either PS2 and Xbox. --------------------------------- As far as the now--Xbox and PS2 are BOTH successes. Each one housing a nice handfull of AAA games. Each one having supurb graphics. Each one designed, and created with great thought and savvy. Nuff said there. ------------------------------------

A word on future game budgets:

The few of us that work in the industry, or follow it closely knows that a top-title game can come close to, if not exceed a Hollywood budget film. There was a quote by a user up top stating, "What are you worried about the tech for, they can't utilize this in games...the budget..blah blah" Well, I think my in-game screenshots of Unreal 3 should shut you up quickly. Clearly, if the technology allows it, the artists will sap it for all it's worth.

Game engines, and tools used are getting much more fluent, and stream-lined in their content creation. If you pre-build the tools, and SDK to utilize the next-gen game engines and tech, the creation of amazing content can be quickly implimented. Just becuase the game is that much prettier, doesn't mean it took a lot more time to create. --Great tools = Great games-- Regardless of budget.

In conclusion:

Within 20 years, we WILL be playing FF:the spirits within in real time. Games will be more real than you might want. I love FPShooters, but do I really want to blow somebodies head off? Not me, but games like "Manhunt" did well--I suppose some people will get off to it.

What's "under the hood" is not going to matter for Xbox2 and PS3. And it cerainly won't matter for Xbox3 and PS4.

Play hard. Don't forget to sleep.

--Quodgod

69. Posted Apr 16, 2020, 3:31 AM ET by El_Maestro

Holy ****

I mean, I enjoy the console war hypes, bashing, arguing, but why does it all end up being a battle of tech specs? It's not the specs that make the system- ITS THE GAMES. THE GAMES THAT SPECIFIC, INDIVIDUAL GAMERS WANT. At present, Sony's PS2 (check that- TWO, not 3) has more games than any other console known to man. It has also sold the most units. Coincidence? Clearly, people like variety and choice in what they play- those who don't pick a system with games that they think they'll like the most- although admittedly you might regret it later when some smalltown 3rd party developer makes a perfect game for just one system- but who can predict the future?

I see smart guy calling bluray a baby technology- just born and still in diapers. (post 62) Maybe Sony are improving the technology? Maybe nobody except God will know until the thing actually HITS THE SHELVES.

I have heard people before saying that Sony have in the past hugely exaggerated about the capabilities of their products before they are released. Yes, a "supercomputer on a chip" is totally out of the picture. The U.S. army would have thought of that one first. :)

post 47- Redfinith Where would Xbox/ Gamecube be without Halo/ Zelda? nowhere and nowhere? Who in their right mind buys a console for just ONE GAME?? admittedly i almost did a few months ago (a ps2 for GTA vice city and san an was high on my mind), but then i realised how STUPID that would be and havent considered it since.

I can't repeat myself enough. WHEN THESE THREE CONSOLES HIT THE MARKET, THEY WILL ALL BE HIGH-TECH, HIGH-PRICED, AND HIGHLY COMPETITIVE. No one console will sweep the floor with the others. You fanboys making these claims are living proof of this- as long as there are some customers who remain loyal to their system of choice, there'll be enough consumers to go around. Heck, a lot of you will probably buy all three.

Finally, all hail to QuadGod (post 67), who provides us all with an oasis of common sense in this desert of dried up crap. I quote:

"Hardware...it's a fun thing to compare. But listen closely--the next generation of consoles and PCs are going to be so powerfull, the difference in poly-count, particle FX, dynamic lighting, and texture quality is going to be moot."

And, because the Nintendo Revolution seems to have been rather left out, what's under it's hood? I don't know- no better than you do as to what's under the PS3/ Xbox 2. Don't expect another Gamecube- which I thought was kind of a flop. Although the 'cube (which I own) wasn't as successful as it's competitors, I think (hope) that Nintendo has learned a lesson. As the gamers mature, so must the games. Gamecube is often referred to as the system for "a younger audience." Now that I'm almost 16, I'm wishing that I'd considered the options 3 years ago.

Well, this is the console wars all over again. Have a good one.

70. Posted Apr 16, 2020, 3:30 PM ET by Darren

Posted Apr 16, 2020, 3:31 AM ET by El_Maestro "Finally, all hail to QuadGod (post 67), who provides us all with an oasis of common sense in this desert of dried up crap. I quote:"

QuadGod is right. Now doubt about that. But there's one thing missing. Physics seems to be much bigger than the "HD era" or how many Pixel Pipelines a GPU has.

If the PS3's Cell processor is simply one gigantic Physics chip and Xbox2's PowerPC triple-core design is based simply on the requirement for advanced Physics, then QuadGod's clean-as-a-razor point is horrifyingly clear. Perhaps GPU power and GPU factors have reached a plateau (I mean, how real does something have to look?).

Which brings the next new question; what more can be done from the new GPUs from nVidia and ATI in the NG consoles, without making things too realistic? Is virtual Physics really the next big thing?

And why aren't Sony, Toshiba, IBM and Microsoft even talking anything about it? Just "HD era" and "the Cell processor is Bill Gate's nightmare become real".

Unreal3's engine is undoubtedly monumental in its capabilities, but there's only so far, and only so much a games developer can achieve in one sitting (i.e. less than 5 years). Physics, Physics, Physics. Where's it all going?

71. Posted Apr 16, 2020, 7:26 PM ET by Quadgod

Darren,

Physics certainly do crunch a lot of numbers--but our soon to be released hardware will be able to handle it in spades.

Take a look at HL2--as far as I'm conserned HL2 housed some of the most well-rounded environmental physics. From the large objects to the small, as well as beautiful rag-doll physics. If my PC can handle this, certainly the hardware for the next-gen of consoles and PCs will handle physics twice as accurate and fast as HL2.

------------------- My rig: Dual PIII 1ghz 512 Sdram Gf FX 5600 -------------------- If this old dog of a system can handle HL2's superb physics engine...then I'm sure we'll all feel right as rain about how PS3 and Xbox2 will handle physics. And let's look at it this way: How many realistic physics calculations do you think our eye can pick up on? Sure HL2 wasn't perfect in certain areas (i.e. when you picked up and dropped a plastic bottle, it didn't bounce)...well, I'm sure that will all be remedied in time...other than that, physic engines as detailed as HL2 are all I need to keep me happy.

Let's not forget AI--to me, it's not the physics engine that is going to be the true number cruncher--it's going to be AI. Superior AI requires so many lines of code, my eyes go weary even thinkinig about it...

In conclusion, I like to put it all together.

Perhaps the next-gen consoles and PC will not be able to handle all of these points to the highest power. There are going to be corners cut on certain games--but that is how it goes. Some games will look uh-maze-ing...and they may not require a grand AI code--so numbers will not have to be crunched there. On the other hand, a game may cut corners on the graphics a tad, to push a more realistic physics engine.

But in the end, again I will say: We will only be happy with the quality that will be available to us...so let's not compare systems anymore.

Let's compare Games.

72. Posted Apr 18, 2020, 9:48 AM ET by Brian

You people are incredibly stupid, and gullible at that.

You think Sony and Microsoft actually hate each other? Are you all out of your freakin' minds? I'll bet you all thought Sega and Nintendo hated each other too!

Talk about a bunch of suckers, hook line and sinker.

Xbox is just a fancy way of saying Playstation, and vice versa. Sure, the money is seperately distributed to each company, but they help their cause by making you believe they hate one another. This repetitive cycle sparks interest amongst the hardcore gamers, and when gamers get horny, people make money.

73. Posted Apr 19, 2020, 1:44 AM ET by El_Maestro

On physics engines: won't it be the developers of the games that determine the quality of the physics that we as gamers experience on the screen? Compare this to taking a state-of-the art hi-fi stereo and playing a broken CD in it- the quality will suck. As for games- a friend of mine with a PS2 showed me how in the Lord of the Rings you could throw rocks into a stream- where they bounced as if the water was ice. What I'm driving at is that programmers who programmed those rocks and that mysteriously solid river didn't bother dealing with things like fluid dynamics, the interaction between the two things, etc. Will next-gen developers be dedicated enough? (obviously some will be). I know this sounds like a pessimistic outlook- but it's mere observation. If the monsters look this real ( http://www.unrealtechnology.com/html/technology/ue30.shtml -thanks Quadgod), I'll shit myself.

74. Posted Apr 20, 2020, 9:24 PM ET by Patrick Low

Well two things first of all Microsoft has already recruited the number one RPG maker for consoles which is the guy who makes Final Fantasy. Second thing Microsoft could beat any other gaming copany simply for the fact that they have the money not only to buy better technology but to buy the competition if they want to which Bill Gates has done several times before. So in my opinion X-box 2 will ultimately be a better system than the PS3.

75. Posted Apr 22, 2020, 8:56 AM ET by Paolo Banacks

Microsoft is Evil. Capitalism gone too far.

76. Posted Apr 22, 2020, 11:48 PM ET by josh

Xbox Ps3, man oh man think about it graphics are becoming to the point where you can't even see a difference i say let both counsels come out then argue about it. i love all gaming systems. i love how over the many years the generated games that by standerd were above on some occasion then many ppl remember well i just want to say that i hope that they both sell well i know im going to buy both.

77. Posted Apr 26, 2020, 9:38 AM ET by QuadGod

Yes, it is the company that writes the code for the physics--but it is the CPU and/or GPU that will crunch these numbers (code). As for your rock/river example, I think what you are saying is that they are finding a tricky way to simulate real-world physics. (i.e. by creating a solid river for the rocks to bounce off of)--in actuality, I think it goes as far as saying that the "rock of the water" animation and effect was pre-rendered, and is not simulated everytime. I could be wrong.

The developers of every bit of code are responsible for creating the best, most accurate portrayal of real life. Post 72. El Maestro, I truely believe that programers and artists will be more than dedicated enough to produce uber-quality games. I mean have you really looked at the Unreal 3 website I have posted above somewhere? Really looked through it? I suggest you do, because that is the quality of games we will see (from the "real" developers worth a damn).

If the artists and coders can get away with it--they will.

78. Posted Apr 28, 2020, 12:02 PM ET by Tiago

I'm not a console lover, but a games lover. The fact is that Sony has been more inventive in the gaming industry... and that's what makes me prefer the PS2 over the XBOX right now. With titles like SingStar or Eyetoy or the DanceMat gizmo.

I bought them all and whoa.. does that rock when i have my friends visiting. Dunno how the next-gen consoles gonna be, all i can say is what i'm seeing right now. Sony innovating how we play games.

If they keep it up, i'll keep buying.

79. Posted Apr 29, 2020, 10:20 AM ET by Marty

PLAYSTATION RULES!!!!

This gen consoles: PS2=81million units/Xbox=21million

Nex gen consoles: PS3 kicks some butt yet again(namely Xbox360's)

ROLL ON PS4:)

80. Posted Apr 29, 2020, 10:31 AM ET by Marty

So in a nutshell: XB2 = 2 Power4 + ATI R500 + mature SDK PS3 = 1 Power4 + 8 Cell cores + unknown SDK

Eh...no... PS3 will be using 4 Cell processors... so... using your terminology

PS3 = 4 Power4 + 32 Cell cores + Nvidia+unknown SDK

PS3 will rock:)

81. Posted Apr 29, 2020, 10:31 PM ET by Lance

You know what, I think that these 2 systems will be VERY successful and it will if it's advance as they say it could be start of more advanced counsoles coming our way in 5 years or more. I think its WAY to early to:

1. To start the war between xbox2 fanboys and ps3 fanboys

2. To early to even flame the counsoles, because the fact is we don't know diddly about the xbox2 and ps3, except their specs.

82. Posted May 2, 2020, 7:13 PM ET by Justin

I think that Microsoft's Xenon will kill PS3 because they care about the gamers and not themselves....look at the money they lost with the xbox but regained it with the games and online....The xbox 2 will have ATI's amazing graphics and a triple core nextgen powerPC 5 processor. Sony will lose cuz they sell everything as an addon for profit but lose because of the cost to buy it all when the xbox 2 already has it...The Xbox 2 is going to be around $199-349 US, while PS3 will be close to 1000-2020 bucks because blu-ray players cost around $1200 alone plus the cell processor and the PS3 is like 3 times the size of the xbox 1 while the xbox2 will be like the mini ps2. Xbox 2 will rule because of well known companys and their services and games...they may not be the most powerful but they will provide the services and games we want because you can change them to meet the consumers needs while working with existing hardware so you ps3 fans can shut the f**k up, shove that ps3 up your a*s and go screw yourselves because the xbox 2 will provide what we want, not what sony wants because all they care about is profits. this is not my opinion but the facts and thats that.

thank you.

83. Posted May 3, 2020, 2:51 PM ET by Patrick

Actually Xbox 2 from what I've heard are using 3 PowerPCs clocked at 3.0 GHz and PS3 will be using the Cell processor clocked at 4.1 GHz but I don't know how many they are gonna put in.

Blu-Ray is cheaper for Sony to go with because they like own the company and that Xbox will go with the low standard 7 GB DVD disc because he is cheap... So all and all PS3 will be better because Xbox is coming out with bad GPU while Sony is working with Nividia to make a new and top of the line GPU.

84. Posted May 7, 2020, 4:43 PM ET by Rob

Hi all,

A lot of people are clearly very excited about the next-gen systems, to the point of explicitly telling the competition to have relations with their respective systems. This is fine by me, though some may be offended, but it is all supposition about what is coming. This thread is dedicated to opinions about which system will be the most powerful. Which company will dominate, presumably that is another thread.

That being said, IMO, the PS3 will probably have "more under the hood" than the Xbox 2 and Revolution. I say based entirely upon others knowledge and quotes on technological specs, having no understanding of that type of thing and on what the companies have planned for their systems at this time.

Also IMO (and off topic...:P), I don't think it will matter which company makes the best system; as gamers will make their purchasing decisions based on the price, what games are for it, and on what system their friends have. Company loyalty may play some role, (more for some people than others) but will probably not matter to most people. Tech. specs. will probably not matter either, unless you want this to be your entire entertainment centre.

That being said, all fanboys of all systems should check out http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/?t=archives&date=2020-02-05 It may be interesting for you...

85. Posted May 8, 2020, 5:11 AM ET by Darren

84. Posted May 7, 2020, 4:43 PM ET by Rob

Come on Rob. Lighten up here. There's no point any system being sufficiently 'under-powered' to get anything excited about. If something is underpowered, no-one wants to wait 5 years down the line and then notice that that is all you're going to get. These systems should be designed to be state-of-the-art and long term for developers to constantly do better, not suddenly grind to a halt. No one wants to use anything with a 'state-of-the-imagination'.

With the three console manufacturers all these systems will highly likely display a totally indispensable capability toward CGi, but I don't think this is about CGi anymore. It's nVidia and ATI's flagship custom-designed GPUs we're talking about here-- no-one can do it better than they're doing it right now with their 32 pixel pipeline nightmares; and they're sitting on architectures that are simply showing up the rust on the PC. This is about physics, AI and online capabilities. Xbox2's PowerPC 3-core design won't beat PS3's 2xCell or 4xCell design, so it'll need its own Physics chip (big hint there).

86. Posted May 8, 2020, 1:53 PM ET by realgammer79

I will not insult you all's intellegence by not explaining myself further, so here goes. I own both xbox and playstation2(xbox first). this being the first real game console war not dominated by two japanese companies has had its share of revelations for me.

I am just now playing my xbox, after having shelved it for some months now. why? the games sucked. halo2 was the last straw. THIS was what i had been wainting on for 3 yrs. so I went right out and gor PS2 and MGS3 (a truly great game). the only good game for XB were PG racing, steetfighterclones and Halo 1 arguably better than 2.

NOW thire is splenter cell3, Phantom Dust, Doom 3, Jade Empire, Forzamotor sport. WOW...WHAT A DEFFERENCE A DAY MAKES. in this the last streach of its short lived life xbox is acually producing a better selection than PS2.

however only one of these really diserves true appreciation as system spevific greatness Jade Empire. because doom3 you expect this game on the box and the others "look closely" are mere pretested clones of their PS2 predisessor Splenter Cell3=lesser MGS attemtp with better graphics, Forza= GT4 minus defects and added features. What dose this all mean.

the japanese are dreamers and very inventive (fact: just watch any popular anime). american are achivers but presevests (dont like to take chances) just think about the CD vs hd vs blueray debate. ppl say well, MS is smart cause we don't know whos gonna win. you can expexct the same attitude for game selection i.e.nothing that's not already on PC's or produced by a select few japanese designers BEFORE the PS3 arrives.

xbox will always be behind PS because MS is always following behind the ideas of its inventive, risktaking, japanese counterpart Sony.

Now I dare anyone with a LOGICAL retorical comment to challenge my point.

87. Posted May 8, 2020, 2:03 PM ET by realgammer79

my original comment was not added sorry for the confusion.

88. Posted May 8, 2020, 2:24 PM ET by Marty

PS3 will rock:)

PLAYSTATION WILL RULE YET AGAIN!!!

89. Posted May 9, 2020, 2:03 AM ET by John

I just have one comment about all this. WHO CARES? Why argue back and forth about which console will be better? Go out and buy both systems because it sounds like they will both be worth it and quit making up stuff to make one system sound better than the other.

I am a major Sony fan, but I will probably buy both systems just because I'm sure they will both have cool games. If your a dedicated fan for either the Xbox or the PS2 and hate the other console then that's just fine, but keep your comments to yourself and take your anger out on a game or something. I want to find out real info on the new consoles NOT some made up stuff to make one sound better than the other. If the new Xbox turns out to be a pathetic system and PS3 rocks well then that's great; but WHO REALLY CARES? Just go buy both systems and buy the games that you think are cool and play those. If you hate Xbox and don't want to buy it then don't. Quit wasting space on this site by throwing in comments like the following: "I just want to let all of you know that i will suck you dry, even if i still continue to make no profit on my xboxes. I beleive that using pc-based arcitecture is the way forward, not for better games, but for global domination. (which by the way i already have) I like to give the consumers no-choice, i like to give software developers no choice, i like to control all choices in this games market. Sony...you had better watch out cos even if your ps3 is better, dont worry I have enough money to not only forcefully buy the rights to your system (using corupt courts) and take you to the cleaners, but also i could if i wanted PAY everyone in the world to take my x-boxes and still have loads of money left over." Stuff like that is just a waste of space and is better kept of the web. If you envy Bill Gates that much then get over not having that much money and get off your lazy butt and do something about it. If you are really that bored and that desperate to say something on the web to get attention then you should stay offline and just play video games or get drunk or something like that instead of boring us with that kind of crap.

If you are a true gamer then you will not care which one is better, but will want the system with the best games regardless of the fact that it's not as cool as the other. Just play the dang games and keep your stupid biased opinions to yourself. And for those people who hate Halo and Halo2 I think they are a whole lot better than most video games on PS2 except Kill Zone. When I finally got an x-box (which took a long time because I liked PS2 so much) then I played Halo and Halo2 non-stop because they have much better graphics and because they have a good story line (although Halo2 was a bit of a disappointment as far as the campaign goes). I do agree with realgamer79 about PS3 probably being better because they take more risks, but the crap about Halo and Halo2 make me sick. I think somebody has been sitting in their living room playing video games and getting wasted too long. How about getting some real facts and write about it when your not drunk. And one more thing, some grammar errors are ok, but at least capitalize your I's. The lowercase I's are driving me crazy. Are you guys still in elementary and haven't quite learned that rule yet? It wouldn't surprise me.

90. Posted May 9, 2020, 9:04 AM ET by Patrick

Okay great news all... I heard that PS3 will be using 4 Cell processors... Great that is going to be awsome.

91. Posted May 9, 2020, 3:58 PM ET by tarzan

As a system Playstation 3 will easily be the superior system, talking about hardware. But ofcourse you dont buy a console for the hardware but for the games.

And to clarify what someone wrote earlier in the thread: XB2 = 2 Power4 + ATI R500 + mature SDK PS3 = 1 Power4 + 8 Cell cores + unknown SDK

Well, thats not really the truth, the ps3 will have a dedicated NVIDIA gfx controller and will also be using OpenGL for the development which atleast i dont consider a very "unknow SDK".

92. Posted May 9, 2020, 4:08 PM ET by borje

OT:

it is also worth mentioning, that the ps2 cpu is far better than xbox celeron cpu and yet it was released two (here in sweden atleast) years before xbox. ps2 bottleneck was the gpu. totally OU but worth mentioning since many ppl dont seem to understand this.

93. Posted May 10, 2020, 1:58 PM ET by Darren

91. Posted May 9, 2020, 3:58 PM ET by tarzan

The PS3 is relying on a compiler system that will allow programmers/developers to quickly access the capabilities of a 2x/4xCell array. I think that that is the key problem that games developers are worried about. I'm not sure whether IBM engineers are responsible for this (I would have thought so)

The Xbox360 on the other hand has obviously made even the most accomplished games developers move away from the PS3 as a platform by default-- particularly the Japanese. The PS3 will be tough going, but the future for it is obviously expansive and purely captivating for those that want money in the bank before a 2 year period.

94. Posted May 10, 2020, 2:04 PM ET by Patrick

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000267042765/ That is the new Xbox... It was on the Xbox offical website but taken off really fast all of a sudden.. It was on the Xbox site I think but also the N Gage or whatever web site. Don't remember. My friend told me about it. http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000267042765/

95. Posted May 10, 2020, 2:08 PM ET by Darren

Your comments: 92. Posted May 9, 2020, 4:08 PM ET by borje

But many people do. What many people won't accept is Sony's claims for the Emotion Engine prior to release. The PS2 was a big step up from the PS1, there's no doubt about that, and many years down the line only a few noteworthy developers could actually do anything with it-- after about two-thirds in to the console's life; even then, I did wonder why Ridge Racer 6 never surfaced years later as that was the genre that set the PS2 going in the first place. Thanks to GT3's appearance, PS2 was saved from an early death (but that's just my opinion).

The PS3 is a monumental effort from three very big, very powerful, technologists. I just hope the compiler required to consolidate the Cell array and the nVidia GPU in to one uniform, fully operational gateway, arrives a lot sooner before any expectations of its short-comings by anything less than AAA class developers crop up in the first few years.

96. Posted May 12, 2020, 8:56 PM ET by HAZE

PS3 will of corse blow XBOX out of the water.There is NO i repeat NO competition between the two.The Dreamcast left with a better game lineup in the end of its run(better graffics than ps1).Than the Xbox is going to have,when it finnaly fades away into the past.Sure XBOX360 will have backwards compatibility but there are no games to go back too, NONE.You will be able to have over a 1000 game library with the ps1+ps2 alone.The Xbox is going to be beat by its own addictive fanboy medicine(better graffics and ONLY better graffics).Let the ps3 heal your wounds with better games ON TOP of better graffics.Also XBOX online is nothing to wright home about.No its not always good to "play together".You have to have a good online game to do that to the fullest...not a good lan game.

PS2=81million units/Xbox=21million

PS2=plays DVD's PS2=plays an overwhelming amount of quality games that XBOX owners ignore forcefully. PS2=has better controllers yet only 2 ports, but we can go back to the ps1 vs n64 battle. PS2=Above mediocre Graffics but nothing to squint and frown at.

XBOX=Better graffics for the price XBOX=Mediocre online to keep fanboys buisy and to stop from suicide.

The ps3 will astound you beyond belief.It will be able to play better than doom 3 type graffics in a unreal sized world.Every other system in the past will be forgotten.And there wont be another system/system war till the year 2025.The time of peace is comeing.

97. Posted May 13, 2020, 12:20 AM ET by Patrick

Yea, PS3 will also have more games because it is going to have a UMD slot for the PSP games too. :)

98. Posted May 13, 2020, 2:16 PM ET by Darren

96. Posted May 12, 2020, 8:56 PM ET by HAZE

I think eventually, what Microsoft have done with the Xbox 360, will sink in. I'm no Xbox1 lover by any stretch of the imagination, but the Xbox 360 is seriously powerful hardware-- the only stretching Pixel Shader 3.0 will be doing is the one being made by the Xbox 360 itself.

Sony hinting that the PS3 may well appear in shops before the end of 2020 is a sure sign that Ken "let's keep the PS2 going until we all die" either shat his pants, or his immediate CEO told him to pull his finder out of his bottom.

512Mb of GDDR3 memory has to be the highlight of the day. When I saw that, I thought, yes, yes, yes; the Xbox 360 IS designed to replace games developers' primary focus on the PC.

The PowerPC custom-G5 in the Xbox 360 has been calculated to perform close to 120 Gigaflops. I don't know what the original Xbox1 was capable of, but I'm guessing not much more than 1 Gigaflop. The PS2 a little more. Xbox 360 sets the next gen bar so high one does have to wonder whether the BETA specs issued for the Xbox 360 will be subject to 'toning down'.

Microsoft are sending a clear message to Sony. Probably "Hi guys; want an Xbox 360?".

99. Posted May 14, 2020, 1:20 PM ET by Roy

What I don't understand is why one wants one system to blow the other system out of the water? Seems to me owner loyality is pretty strong by the gist of the all the posts I read. But one major point is being ignored...compitition is great for us the consumers! It gives us better quality games, platforms and the bigest factor is price....trust me do you really just want sony or microsoft or nintendo to exist ..I want them all to exist to keep the costs down...

And as far as graphis I grew up with an atari....So im allready completly satisifed with the curent graphics...

my personaly choice,,,xbox live halo 2....I dont need any other games....And will not purchase another game untill halo 3 comes out....there is just something about kicking someones backside and talking trash that is truely enjoyable!

100. Posted May 14, 2020, 3:15 PM ET by Darren

Posted May 14, 2020, 1:20 PM ET by Roy "What I don't understand is why one wants one system to blow the other system out of the water?"

Because when someone does it's almost like a relief; these consoles go on for years at a time and much of the games that are developed for them are spectacularly awful and only a handful really make the grade-- but stretched over 5-7 years...

Sony did it with the the PS1-- I remember that day in Gloucestershire when it was released with WipeOut. I've not seen anything near that event for a long, long time.

Then there was this horrendous, yawning gap, of nothingness. What exactly has been going on with the PS2, the Xbox1 and the Gamecube... not much. Whilst the PC is steam-rolling ahead with unprecendented power and CGI breakthroughs, games seem to be confused between copying gore from the PC and being torn between a male/female category.

Microsoft made the biggest changes first at a point where it was needed most. I'm a PC gamer first and foremost. The Xbox1 was interesting. The PS2 was hugely disappointing. The Gamecube simply shows you how nice something can look, but how highly limiting it can be.

The Xbox360 is a revelation of technological achievement consolidating the whole problem of non-generic PC gaming. And it looks like a Mac. I mean ,what more could you ask for? This is the PS1 all over again, but several layers of I-don't-know-what in the right'er direction.

101. Posted May 14, 2020, 9:19 PM ET by Jay

I really couldn't care less which one comes out on top. In the end I'll probably buy both, as will a majority of people here. I'll probably get the PS3 first just because Im fairly confident it will have a larger game library. When a price drop comes around for the XBOX 360, I'll probably go and buy it. Also I really couldn't care less what each does besides gaming. I have a dvd player for my dvd's, a cd player for my cd's, a computer for burning and storing stuff (and playing a lot of FPS's online) so that won't even cross my mind.

I also favor the PS2 since they don't charge for online gaming. Sure XBOX Live is a better experience than PS2, but I just don't want to have to pay extra so that Gates gets more money each year. So Im hoping that the PS3 will have free online gaming as well. What is really confusing me though is XBOX 360's two online subscription thing. Under the features of the Gold subscription it notes online multiplayer gaming. However, that is not found under the Silver subscription. So what exactly is the point in the Silver subscription?

102. Posted May 14, 2020, 9:34 PM ET by HAZE

98. Posted May 13, 2020, 2:16 PM ET by Darren

"512Mb of GDDR3 memory has to be the highlight of the day. When I saw that, I thought, yes, yes, yes; the Xbox 360 IS designed to replace games developers' primary focus on the PC"

Im on the side of the cheap 512mb 1T-SRAM with a tweaked duel core processor to run Vram that is better than the xbox2...AND THATS JUST THE REVOLUTION.

Nintendo Vs Playstation round 4. Go for the cheapest custom duel core...Go for the cheapest pattented 9 core.

103. Posted May 15, 2020, 5:35 PM ET by Darren

Nintendo's Revolution is basically an Xbox 360 in a different guise. It probably won't be quite as powerful as Microsoft's investment with IBM and ATI (and wouldn't need to be).

Unlike the Xbox 360 however, it has now been confirmed the Revolution will run the Gamecube's 8cm optical discs on a 12cm optical drive. 12cm will double/triple the storage, so the emphasis is still not related to vast content or the scope to support a Media PC.

ATI's involvement will be one of getting Nintendo to the 'HD era' in the same way Microsoft have shifted to, so the chip will share similarities, but only in the sense that the Flipper/Gekko combination will be a 'better incarnation'.

Let's all hope that they follow Microsoft's rather amazing 512Mb quota. 24Mb of 1Tram is not fun for any games developer to have to rely on and although RE4 was a milestone in Gamecube's life, it wasn't enough. GDDR3 will be the order of the day and 256Mb for the Revolution would be a mandatory and viable move.

Does anyone get the amazing feeling that Nintendo's development tools will be remarkably similar/compatible with Xbox 360?

104. Posted May 18, 2020, 3:57 PM ET by aart

the ps3 is gonna be real xpensive if dey wanna put bluray in it, the games will also be a lot more xpensive on bluray and a cell processor also, i ve heard that there is only 256 mb memory in it, how do you wanna play new games with dat, seems to me that you can play the same games on an xbox360 for a better price

ps i think that you can get serious damage to your hands playing on a ps3 if i look at de controllers

105. Posted May 18, 2020, 5:05 PM ET by Darren

104. Posted May 18, 2020, 3:57 PM ET by aart

Well the main reason the PS3 is using Blu-ray is that in 6 months from now the Blu-ray drive in it will be able to transfer just shy of 100Mb/sec. Then you have the capacity.

In 6 months from now, nVidia will aim to make the RSX cleanly achieve 2Teraflops and IBM, 6 months from now with the polished dev kits will get the Cell CPU reaching 300Gigaflops.

The VRAM for the RSX will likely increase from 256Mb to 512Mb of GDDR3 at 1.8Ghz (from 1.4). The XDR-RDRAM quota will remain the same.

Though I would like to see XDR-RDRAM replace GDDR3 for a total of 512Mb XDR-RDRAM. That would speed things up a bit.

In the light of the E3 2020 conference, I hope everyone realises that the Xbox 360's current dev kits are using less than half the potential of the system. The PS3 side of things, likely the same; but if the intention of MotorStorm and KillZone2 are real-time 60fps, they'll need a hefty boost in their own dev kits too. That and the fact that the RSX can achieve the CGI everyone is wanting to see, but I doubt that 256Mb of VRAM for it is even remotely enough to pull it off. It'll have to be 512Mb. The Cell's 256Mb quota for XDR-RDRAM is a collosal amount and would easily have accommodated 2-4 Cell processors.

I can't see how Sony will accept XBox 360 having virtually identical numbers, regardless to the 1 Teraflop difference. That 1 Teraflop difference could only be seen if they had 1Gb of memory on the PS3.

The shape of the PS3 console points to a design that if were flat, would not easily accomodate rather large fans and one god-almighty killer heatsink. 550Mhz and 300 Million transistors would probably start of a fusion reaction if unchecked.

106. Posted May 20, 2020, 4:07 AM ET by crunchie246 XBOX 360 is gonna RULE

XBOX 360 IS GONNA KICK ps3 ass. It has nearly everything better than ps3. ps3 has fucked up alien thing controlers that look like their out of star wars. Xbox 360 has a removable hardrive, better graphics and nearly as good a game selection as playstation. Check it out and compare to the shitty specs of the ps3. www.xbox.com and ps3 www.ps3land.com

107. Posted May 20, 2020, 3:11 PM ET by Darren

106. Posted May 20, 2020, 4:07 AM ET by crunchie246

Hey, my Hamster is named after you! Anyway. Yes, the Xbox 360 is going to kick ass and by the time the dev kits have really nailed the hardware, it'll be able to withstand the PS3 once its own dev kits have reached maturity... for awhile...

108. Posted May 25, 2020, 9:03 AM ET by aart

the ps 3 is about as big as the creator of it and xbox fanboys, dont admit that the ps2 had better games because they hadnt, just alot of stupid japanese bullshit, with final fantasy on xbox, the xbox has taken away one of the playstations best franchises, if they contract rockstar RIP sony

109. Posted May 25, 2020, 9:24 AM ET by Darren

The PS3 is about as big as IBM/Toshiba/Sony. The creator had a vision of the GS2 and the EE2, but it never got anywhere near what nVidia had proposed. I think in truth, nVidia had to match RSX expectations to Cell expectation, and it's likely that nVidia just took it all the way.

There's a strong rumour going around that the RSX will 1.5x-2x the power of a G70 GPU; even further, that the demos running MotorStorm and KillZone2 could run (were running?) quite easily on a SLI G70 PC. If this is the case, the RSX's continuing developments might herald the possibility that the RSX could be really capable of real-time 'that's CGI rendered' demo footage.

Since a G70 has 256Mb GDDR3, the SLI configuration is double the VRAM on the PS3, but there could be hidden capabilities between the CPU/GPU interface related to XDR-DRAM. By that, I mean that the Cell would really only need something like 64-128Mb to process geometry, physics and sound, and the remaining XDR memory would go to the RSX.

That leaves 384-448Mb of memory for the GPU. Is this enough to render in real-time, with reduced-in-size areas, the kind of CGI on display for something like KillZone2 and MotorStorm's horrifically detailed environments and effects... at 60fps constantly?

110. Posted May 27, 2020, 2:36 AM ET by Darren C

There is a guy multiposting about the XBox 360 in all the PS3 related forums... Isn't that alittle sad that you have such insecurities?

PS3 has already won the preliminary rounds of what we know so far about the new consoles, so stop trying to make up for the XBox 360's lackluster MTV showing and unfocused E3 conference.

PS3 looks to lead the market again next-gen.

111. Posted May 27, 2020, 2:39 AM ET by Darren C

Stop multiposting with different names, "aart","Darren","crunchie246"... whatever you're called... It just shows your insecurities in the XBox360... It's sad really. PS3 will continue to make you feel bad about XBox 1.5, so suck it up.

112. Posted May 28, 2020, 4:26 PM ET by TheUsedSevendust

I love how Darren C concludes that the Xbox 360 is simply Xbox 1.5... I bet if Ken wouldn't have ever said that you wouldn't be calling it that. Understand that everything is custom built, or new to the Xbox 360 in comparison to the 1st Xbox. Custom GPU, Custom Processors, (even if they use them in apple computers, there's still going to be 3 used at once, and that's a 1st for consoles). Custom Wireless controllers, (note that everything has been changed on the look on the controller). The engineering being put into the console to allow backward compatability, The Concave design, the Live UI.. Custom playlists in every game. There are so many better and innovative things being put into the next Xbox 360. And calling it simply a minor update, is totally legitimate. Now for the PS3 fanboys, can you tell me what is going to be new about the PS3 so that I do not assume it's simply a PS 2.5??

113. Posted Jun 1, 2020, 7:54 PM ET by Ijustcrashed

PS3: Custom Gpu Custom Processor Custom Controllers Custom Disk Format Better Online Capabilities Etc, Etc, Etc The thing hasn't even been finished yet.

114. Posted Jun 2, 2020, 12:57 AM ET by TheUsedSevendust

Indeed it hasn't yet, we all know that, but it's the same for the Xbox 360, it's not fully developed yet.. And better online on the PS3? Lol.. It better compared to the PS2 online. And everything is pretty much custom for the 360, so why is it that calling it simply a 1.5 relevent?

115. Posted Jun 4, 2020, 10:19 PM ET by Ijustcrashed

"Lol.. It better compared to the PS2 online."

Exactly.

"why is it that calling it simply a 1.5 relevent?"

Didn't say, nor do I care.

I was just responding to: "Now for the PS3 fanboys, can you tell me what is going to be new about the PS3 so that I do not assume it's simply a PS 2.5??"

Although if PS3 doesn't have any games I like, I'll just stick to PC. Personal aversion to Microsoft.

116. Posted Jun 6, 2020, 3:33 AM ET by Free Speech

In Reply To "#112 - TheUsedSevenDust",

The XBox 360 was called an XBox 1.5 in many variations, "lack of innovation" is also a way of calling it. So if someone calls it a v.1.5 then so be it because I agree with Darren C that the XBox is lacking in the innovative department. Ken didn't come up with it first, it's just a name for a more widely accepted opinion with people who dislike what MS' XBox 360 has to offer. I for one are more impressed by far by the PS3 prospects. Oh, and don't compare the online capabilities till you actually know anything about Sony's plans for the PS3. You don't know jack to compare yet so don't be hypocritical. Custom built XBox 360? That's humourous. You don't completely compare with the past generation, you should also compare to what the other next-gens have to offer. The Nintendo Revolution will introduce innovative controls and interactive gameplay, whilst the PS3 combines next-gen technology with compatability throughout the household, let it be through widely used ports to other devices or even within itself with next-gen disc formats or proccessing chip. Triple core? If you knew anything about using a triple core you'd understand that they help applications and not particularly the gaming experience. The PS3 will allow interactive and ever changing expanses with continuously generating environments and real world physics through the powerful CELL chip and RSX. Accept it or not, but the XBox 360 is well deeper into their developement than the PS3 coming out 5 months later, and this fact already has implications of how you can concieve XBox 360 details and the PS3. The controller for the XBox was totally ridiculous and was forced upon XBox fans, whilst the PS2 controllers were the class of the generation. Changing something on the box don't mean it's automatically better than Sony's, they've got awhile to go before they can compete. Something to take a serious note to is that with the XBox 360 being backwards compatible is extremely hilarious as trying to be a strong point, just look at the miniscule XBox library and the HUGE widely popular PS2 & PS1 library. It isn't about when or how much you use that function, it's the fact that some people do, and a large amount of people in this generation will definately be more into the "classics" as this is an ever popular trend. They wouldn't bother with it otherwise. The concave design? The Changeable faceplate? It will stick out like a sore thumb in the living room especially with a changing face that will keep contrasting with the white bodywork. It just doesn't fit in, and aesthetically looks plasticy and cheap. Both Nintendo and Sony understand these concepts, and both I'm sure have the right idea of what's going to sell. Custom playlists?! That's a joke. Software programming anyone? It ain't next-gen and it ain't gonna be anything special, just wait for Sony and Nintendo announcements. The XBox 360 is a minor update in comparison to what Sony and Nintendo have to offer the next-gen, Darren C has his point. Stop calling people PS3fanboys if that's what's bothering you, it's just people with their opinion, fanboys are those who can't back what their saying, true fans are those who know what their talking about cause they've bothered to understand what they like, and like what they understand. I would purchase PS3 and then possibly a N-Revolution if it's decently cheap. The XBox 360 has a lackluster lineup and with their main titles having also PC versions, I wouldn't recommend the XBox 360 to anyone. It doesn't matter if it's cheaper or not than the PS3 cause it just won't sell with such a small library and less innovation and direct PC competition. Bad move MS, bad move. Now you've heard my opinion. PS3 is my next-gen of choice.

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117. Posted Jun 7, 2020, 3:12 PM ET by TheUsedSevendust

You see, I for one was not talking hypocritical about the online improvements for Sony. I simply said it better be improved. I never said either or will be the best online service. And you also have to understand that you don't have a broad range of knowledge yet on the next-gen Nintendo or Sony console, so you can't assume it's going to be innovative. Yes, Nintendo said they were going to make somethihng new and improved, but offical announcements were not made yet. About Sony: Wow, new format, which basically means more storage on a disc. That's not innovative, just an improvement. And the same goes for the RSX GPU. It might be a bad-a** peice of hardware. But it's still simply an updated improvement. And you know Sony has a reputation for "over-hyping" their products. So those are all things to take into consideration. I am not an xbox fanboy, I am just talking logically.

118. Posted Jul 10, 2020, 6:14 AM ET by lingsheng

all you xbox2 fans shut up. you all know sony runs the gaming industry and you also know that the chip sony is about to put into the ps3 is going to produce way better graphics than some dumb blueray crap.ps3 is the only way to go!

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119. Posted Jul 15, 2020, 1:02 AM ET by TheUsedSevendust

Lingsheng... dude... Blu-Ray is a disc format that SONY is using for their media on the PS3... And let me tell you something, any logical gamer does like graphics, but gameplay is what sets everything aside from the good games, and the bad games.. Your knowledge on the next-gen hardware is not good enough to be posting ridiculous comments like the one you did. Sorry to say you're just a typical fanboy who goes by what he reads and hears... tsk tsk.. :(

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